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Choosing a teacher / Guru, Researching the Lineage of a tradition.

Before we take on a practice or accept some one as a teacher there is a bit of research we must do.

Lineage of a tradition is important.

Some of the lineages can be traced back. As an example in Zen, when one is initiated, they prepare a lineage chart. this chart traces ones lineage all the way back to Buddha. The problem with not having a lineage is that a teacher you are working with could have teachings that are not genuine. In most for a student to be given permission to teach, thier teacher verify that they are ready. Otherwise we can read book, take little from here, little from there and start teaching.

We should also do a bit of research about the teacher, see how they treat their students.

"It takes a teacher to show you that you dont need a teacher". In many traditions as Zen and Kunlun, teachers encourage you to not treat them as a Guru/Seifu. One does not have to/should not give ones power to another being. Its so easy to get aweeeed by someones presence and unconsiously gives one energy, give control to a teacher. We must always be in control, we must question every practice we are given and not follow anything blindly.

We should never make any one our Guru and give them all our powers. The real power is within you. A teacher can only show you, and you still have to do the work.

In Zen they have a concept of 3 pillars. Three pillars of zen: Belief, Doubt, Determination

Belief: First one must believe that the system works, even perhaps works looking/reading/seeing it.

Doubt: then once must doubt as to how/why it works. Doubt fuels your practice

Determination: One must have the determination to do the practice.


Choosing a teacher: I have read and heard that "ones teacher is allready there, its a matter of finding them or the student being ready and the teacher appears".

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Having said all above, I somehow ended up to Max's seminar, and upon experiencing rare energy for myself decided to take the weekend course.

For me Max, was able to show me things that I have only read in books.
He would say again and again that we dont call him a teacher or sefu or guru. He was just giving it out, showing the practices to those that wanted it.

To me it seems - as Max has said that he has learned from many traditions: Bonpo. tao, Shaman, Tibetan...
He is a unique teacher and has a unique style of teaching.

I am sure that practices he is teaching, exist but in esoteric fashion. I dont think they have been widely given out. You would have to learn for years in India, China, Tibet to get some of similar practices. And then to you would never be allowed to show or teach them in public.

Even Max encourages everyone to not blindly learn a practice or follow any one, He says to go out and research the lineage, check out the teacher, talk to past students.

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Buddha was once visiting a village and teaching, to the villagers said, we have a problem that some teacher comes and says to do this way another one comes and says to do it another way, our tradition says one thing, another tradition says another, What do we do ? Who do we follow ?

In reply to villagers in he said in (Kalama Sutta)

Dont follow anything because:
- a teacher says so
- a tradition says so
-your family culture says so
-your religion says so
.......


"Rely not on the teacher/person, but on the teaching.
Rely not on the words of the teaching, but on the spirit of the words.
Rely not on theory, but on experience.
Do not believe in anything simply because you
have heard it.
Do not believe in traditions because they have been handed down for many generations.
Do not believe anything because it is spoken and rumored by many.
Do not believe in anything because it is written in your religious books.
Do not believe in anything merely on the authority of your teachers and elders.
But after observation and analysis, when you find that anything agrees with reason and is
conducive to the good and the benefit of one and all, then accept it and live up to it."

- the Buddha



Teachers are always there, its a matter of student to be ready

Ultimately if your heart agrees, then practice is for you and teachers is yours.

Comments

 

Mantra said:

I am posting below which was posted my Mantra (Chris) on www.thetaobums.com/Kunlun-Lineage-t5833.html

Yes, Kunlun is a linage practice. It is a "root" practice which means it pre-dates many things including Taoism. When Max transfers to you, you become connected with the 7402 masters who came before you. These masters (they don't actually use that word themselves) will come to work with you. There are many on this forum who have had experiences with these teachers while practicing. Some look human others, not so much.

On the Mao Shan side of things, if you know Mao Shan, and I know you do, you should know of the name Lum. Max was the primary student of Andrew Lum of Hawaii. His brother is Ming Lum. Andrew Lum's teacher was Lum Dai Yeung. He was the Grand Master of Mao Shan.

Max is as skilled as his teachers.

You are getting the real thing with him. I hope you have the chance to meet him because I know you two would get along great.

June 21, 2008 3:15 PM [Delete]
 

Divyo said:

Turn On, Tune In and Drop Out

Won't You Join the Dance?

Nothing to Lose but Your Head.

Knowledge is the barrier to knowing. When knowledge is dropped, knowing flowers

You Already Are!

If you know your being, there is no question of becoming. All that you could have ever imagined to become you already are.

You are gods who have forgotten who they are. You are emperors who have fallen asleep and are dreaming that they have become beggars. Now beggars are trying to become emperors, in dreams they are making great efforts to become emperors, and all that is needed is to wake up!

The outer cannot change the inner, but the outer can help, or it can hinder.         The outer can create a situation in which the inner can explode more easily.  

Remember this: that the inner is important, significant.  The outer is helpful, it is good, but you must not become focused on it. It must not become so important that the inner is forgotten.  The inner must remain the inner and the central, and the outer, if possible, should be changed just as a help.

Mirrors                                                                                                         You are the cause of whatsoever is happening to you.  You are the cause, and the world is just a mirror.  But it is consolatory always to find the cause somewhere else.  Then you never feel guilt,you never feel self-condemned.  You can always point out that here is the cause, and unless this cause changes, "How can I change?" You can escape into it; this is a trick.  So your mind always goes on projecting causes somewhere else.-From The Book of Secrets

Fools

The majority consists of fools, utter fools. Beware of the majority.

If so many people are following, that is enough a proof

that something is wrong.

Truth happens to individuals, not to crowds.

All that can be experienced is not necessarily explainable, and all that can be explained is not necessarily explainable

**Live each moment as if it the last moment. And nobody knows - it may be the last

Be Realistic, Plan for a Miracle

Never sacrifice your life for anything! sacrifice everything for life! Life is the ultimate goal.

Get Out of Your Own Way

July 9, 2008 6:56 PM [Delete]
 

nitewater said:

don't know what that last comment has to do with lineages, but yay, god bless!

in my experience, i found the teacher, then found out about the lineage.  maybe i'm lucky that all my teachers have had lineages, but you have to remember that even Priests of the Catholic Church are from a lineage that traces itself all the way back to Peter and Jesus and John the Baptist...  person to person.

whenever knowledge is transferred in that way, the lineage remains.  like a legacy.  if you love a teacher, make sure they have a lineage.  

Note: Shamanic practitioners do not have the same kind of "recorded" lineage, so if shamanism is your thing, you probly won't be able to do the kind of research suggested in this blog

August 1, 2008 10:16 AM [Delete]

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