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re: Tao Sutra "Attain the utmost in Passivity" - my comments

Divyo — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 22:19:40 GMT

This is a Discourse from OSHO

Would greatly appreciate, if you could post the Sources from which Book of OSHO this quote text is it.

Thanks!

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re: Tao Sutra "Attain the utmost in Passivity" - my comments

Divyo — Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:08:30 GMT

love it!

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re: Tao Sutra "Attain the utmost in Passivity" - my comments

Andrew — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:54:29 GMT

The sutra quoted, while pretty and romantic, misses the mark.

For example, the sutra encourages one "to return to the Root." This is not necessary, nor is it possible. One cannot be returned to because one never leaves the Root. The Root is all there is. One can never move away from it, although there may be a feeling that one has done so. One needs to realize that Taoism, like Buddhism, is, at its heart a NONdual teaching. The essence of each of these teachings is unicity: an underlying foundation that there is one and ONLY one (thing?) which goes by various names: the Tao, the Buddha-Nature, Consciousness, Source, Totality, God, ...

This........identity of self with All is pointed out in a famous Zen sutra, "The Sandokai" (Identity of Relative and Absolute):

"If you do not see the Way you do not see it even as you walk on it

When you walk the Way it is not near it is not far

If you are deluded you are mountains and rivers away from it"

Look. It really is very simple:

There is nothing to attain.

Why not?

Because there is no one to do the attaining.

The one who is believed to do the attaining is a thought or, more accurately, a succession of thoughts, thought very quickly. It is, in essence, an illusion, one that is similar to the the illusion created when single film clips are rapidly run together by a projector, one right after another, creating the illusion of motion, and action, and "doing," when, in fact, there is only the stillness encompassed by a single photograph.

The Buddha said it quite clearly: "Actions happen. Deeds are done. But there is no individual doer thereof."

No individual doer.

Yes, at the moment of doing, there is a doer. But that doer does not persist moment to moment. That doer only arises at the moment of doing and, once the doing is done, that doer is no longer present. Like a pedestrian. When does a pedestrian come "into being"? When there is walking. When the walking ceases, when the individual reaches its destination and sits down, ....... where, then, is the pedestrian? And so it is with all the various guises and masks of the self. In the next moment, a new "version" of the now-defunct doer arises. That new iteration is similar to, but not the same as, the one that had arisen only a moment before. This is what has, over the millennia, been mistaken for "reincarnation."

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re: Tao Sutra "Attain the utmost in Passivity" - my comments

Julie Jirout — Fri, 20 Jun 2008 03:53:54 GMT

I like this poem.

I think that within this idea of passivity is the ability to live in the moment, to have an openness to a circumstance - not passive in the sense that one is non responsive. On the contrary, in this passive state, yes? - someone is very responsive. Here, "passive" suggests that one has passived his/her anxieties or thoughts enough so that one is open to a real experience...

I also like this idea of circular progress. I have to meditate on that concept. Having been so Westernized, it is not a part of my approach to things. I think that this is unfortunate for me...

Cheers, Julie

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